The jurist Bicudo: 'I do not think Lula is able to give lectures in other countries, even earning the winning. This is to launder money '
'Lula used his prestige to build a patriarchal figure, owner of PT and the interests of the nation'
At 93, the jurist Bicudo participated in the resistance to the military dictatorship and movements for the return of democracy in Brazil. Engaged in the campaign of "Direct Elections Now" and was among the first to join the Workers' Party. By legend, was elected federal deputy and deputy mayor of São Paulo in Marta Suplicy management (2001-2005). It was also one of the first voices to rise up against the deviations that resulted in the Lula government misfortunes and ended up leaving the party ten years ago, when the monthly allowance pulled the line of scandals series that taint forever the legend story. "The PT desmereceu the guidelines set forth in the beginning and became a vehicle for illicit enrichment," said the lawyer. Beside the well jurist Miguel Reale Junior and Janaína Paschoal lawyer, Bicudo signs the request for impeachment of President Dilma Rousseff delivered just over a week the mayor, Eduardo Cunha (PMDB-RJ). The document is considered the most robust and well-founded on the stack of requests for Dilma's mandate ends before the deadline. Weevil received the SEE site in your home, on Wednesday. Read the interview.
Why apply for impeachment before the decision of the Court of Audit (TCU) on tax pedaling or the Superior Electoral Court (TSE)? I do not think there is link between this request and the procedures that are underway in these instances. Everyone can run in parallel. An application forimpeachment is above all a matter of attitude, in addition to the legal basis. One can make a withdrawal request of the president for inability to govern? I believe so. And the performance of Dilma to date shows that it is unable to exercise the mandate. But it is clear that this request for legal foundation: the rides are there to show that there are concrete facts against the president. The request was made in view of the crimes she committed in the exercise of the Presidency.
You then evaluates that Dilma knew of the scheme uncovered by Operation Lava jet? I think she, as president, should know. Dilma must be perfectly aware of what interests the country's political and legal point of view. The president can not be absent from events of interest to the scandal of the clarification process. Claiming ignorance is to give chance for impeachment. If she knew, she had every means to prevent the continuation of the scheme. If left running, the problem is hers.
Do you believe that there is possibility of Dilma step down by 2018? She ruled until now and will not rule until the end. The replacement of Dilma within a democratic process is what the country expects. Brazil is paralyzed. I see no possibility of resignation for her history, but it would be a good thing, open the doors to a new management. Today we have a president who does not rule and the country needs people who govern.
The order signed by the master is considered the one with chances of moving forward in Congress, and so was supported by opposition politicians. I did not try with the opposition. I did not know what the position of these politicians and keep out of this issue because it is a partisan issue. Our request is nonpartisan. It is a request for Brazilian citizens who have been deceived by the president and want to assert their right to citizenship.
Believes that Dilma output would be enough to ease the political and economic crisis? Of course, the figure who will take on the president deterrent hypothesis [in the case, Deputy Michel Temer] already quite relieves the political problem, but the output it will determine a new political moment. We must wait to see how the actors that moment will act. I find it hard to say 'this will happen or that'. Theimpeachment lights a spark, but it is unknown what happens after.
No risk of social turbulence? I think the output of Dilma would be the time the company think more deeply the problem Brazil, leaving aside the political issues. It is time for the nation to think itself and find a way.
Michel Temer would be able to drive this process? It's not easy to say. But Temer could not debunk the story of the PMDB. It must, once accepted the impeachment , the political forces will allow the discussion to the routing of Brazil, in addition to political-partisan issue. You have to find a way for new general elections.
But how, if the deputy would take over the Plateau? There is a constitutional way. It can create an instrument for this through a referendum. Walking in that direction, things are clarified.
The current crisis is a result of political inability to Dilma? There is a great personal content. Dilma is a very authoritative person and do not see the democratic exercise the skilful way to reach the goal of political institution. She is very centralized and is not prepared to pursue the presidency, given what's going on. As she left the direction? Things go next to her and she did not want to see ...
Why do you evaluate Lula tried to pull Rousseff as the crisis has worsened? At first, there was an orchestration for Lula remained in power until someone else on the Plateau. And that person was Dilma. It was a Lula instrument. Now it tries to shake with a view to 2018. He wants to come back as the solution to Brazil's problems, what she could not, he can do. Lula will only release is not a candidate to evaluate who has chances to win.
How do you see the statements that you would be being manipulated? It's the old story of those who have no arguments. Manipulated by whom? I have a past that is in plain sight. It is not the PT sling that will make me change my mind. Instead.
And accusations that the pro-impeachment are scammers? This blow stuff is hit anyone who does not want to relinquish power democratically. The impeachment do not blow it, it's in the Constitution.Where's the blow when it acts in accordance with the law?
What is your biggest disappointment with the PT? It is the fact that the party is no longer dominated by Lulism. The use of personalities in the exercise of policy leads to a dictatorship. The personalized system does not share the idea of democracy. When Lula became president, he began to think beyond good and evil. The advantage of the project to exercise power for social good was turned into a personalist project to deliver the legend to certain people under the umbrella of Lula. He is now the owner of PT. Lula met when he was a poor man. Today owns a fortune. As without work, people can amass as much money as Lula and his sons? He left the party path and PT did what he wanted, disparaging their early guidelines. Lula used his prestige to build a patriarchal figure, party and owner of the nation's interests. The PT is a vehicle for illicit enrichment, many people in the party and outside it.
Lula even? Of course.
Think the Lava jet may lead Lula to jail? He runs that risk is. See the issues of lectures abroad. I do not think Lula is able to give lectures in other countries, even earning the winning. This is to launder money.
Do you see the future for the legend? The PT lost the position it should have in the discussion on the destiny of the country. Under Lula's command, the party is caught by a personalism that the population does not like. The party has become the pursuit of policy for making up the legend dome. I do not think that the PT over, but lost much of its appeal.
